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Direct Print Ver. 1.1 User's Guide PageScope Direct Print Contents Contents 1 Introduction 1.1 1.2 1.3 System Requirements ..................................................................1-1 Main Features ................................................................................1-2 Copyright Information ..................................................................1-4 2 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2.1 2.2 Installing ........................................................................................2-1 Uninstalling....................................................................................2-7 3 Starting PageScope Direct Print 3.1 3.2 3.3 Using the "Start" Menu.................................................................3-1 Using the Application Icon on the Desktop................................3-1 Main Window .................................................................................3-2 4 Specifying Printer Settings 4.1 4.1.1 4.1.2 4.1.3 4.1.4 4.2 4.3 Adding a Printer ............................................................................4-1 "Network" tab ..............................................................................4-3 "Authentication/Account Track" tab ............................................4-4 "Option" tab.................................................................................4-6 Specifying printer search parameters.........................................4-8 Changing Printer Settings............................................................4-9 Deleting a Printer ..........................................................................4-9 5 Programming Job Settings 5.1 5.2 5.3 Adding a Job Setting ....................................................................5-1 Changing a Job Setting ................................................................5-3 Deleting a Job Setting ..................................................................5-4 i Contents 6 Printing 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.4.1 6.4.2 6.4.3 6.4.4 Using the Appropriate Icon on the Desktop .............................. 6-1 Using the Shortcut Menu (Displayed by Right-Clicking) .......... 6-3 Specifying a File From the Main Window ................................... 6-5 Using Hot Folders......................................................................... 6-6 Setting up hot folders ................................................................. 6-6 Specifying detailed hot folder settings ....................................... 6-9 Hot folders monitoring icon ...................................................... 6-10 Printing using a hot folder ........................................................ 6-11 7 Security Functions 7.1 7.2 7.3 Common to Administrators and General Users ........................ 7-1 Administrators .............................................................................. 7-1 General Users ............................................................................... 7-2 8 Additional Settings 8.1 8.2 Edit Job Setting for each printing............................................... 8-1 Edit Authentication/Account Track for each printing ............... 8-3 9 Checking the Printing Status and Print Log 9.1 9.2 9.2.1 9.2.2 Checking the Printing Status ...................................................... 9-1 Viewing the Print Log................................................................... 9-3 Specifying the log setting ........................................................... 9-4 Retrieving data ........................................................................... 9-5 10 Warning/Error Messages 10.1 Messages Concerning PDF Versions ....................................... 10-1 ii Introduction 1 1 Introduction PageScope Direct Print is an application for sending files such as PDF and TIFF files directly to a printer. A file can be printed by dragging it to the appropriate icon on the desktop or by using the Windows shortcut menu (displayed by right-clicking), or the file can be printed automatically by using hot folders. In addition, job settings, which consist of specified print settings, can be programmed. 1.1 System Requirements Compatible operating systems Compatible printers Windows Me, Windows 2000 Professional (Service Pack 4 or later), or Windows XP Home Edition/Professional (Service Pack 1 or later) Refer to the PageScope Direct Print Help or the Readme file for the model names of compatible printers. * A connection to an Ethernet network is required. PDF, TIFF, PS, PCL, ASCII (Text) Compatible files * Differs depending on the printer being used for printing. Note With PageScope Direct Print, the only files that can be printed are those of formats compatible with the printer. When PageScope Direct Print sends a file to the printer, file formats that can be printed are automatically detected. For details on compatible file formats and versions, refer to the support information for the printer being used. 1-1 1 1.2 Main Features Introduction Printing by dragging a file to the appropriate icon on the desktop A file can easily be printed by dragging it to the appropriate icon on the desktop. In addition, a desktop shortcut can be created for each job setting, allowing you to print using the print settings that best meet your needs. Printing using the Windows shortcut menu (displayed by rightclicking) A file can easily be printed by right-clicking it, then selecting "PageScope Direct Print" in the shortcut menu that appeared. Automatic printing using a hot folder A file can automatically be printed by copying it to a hot folder (folder monitored for printing) that has been set up in advance. In addition, by specifying that a hot folder be shared and allowing it to be used on the local network, other users logged onto the network can print using the hot folder. Registering multiple printers/job settings By setting up multiple printers and job settings, it is no longer necessary to change the settings each time you wish to print. Various settings such as the paper tray, paper type, stapling and hole punching settings, and the number of copies can be customized for each job setting. Editing print settings Job settings, such as the number of copies to be printed and the paper tray, can be edited during printing. Specifying the authentication setting The authentication settings can be specified when a printer is registered. In addition, a dialog box for authentication appears before printing begins so that the user name or account name and their passwords can be entered. 1-2 Introduction Security functions The settings can be saved by each user logged onto Windows. 1 Users with administrator privileges can use the settings of all users. However, a general user has limitations applied when using the settings of other users. 1-3 1 1.3 Copyright Information Trademark Acknowledgements Introduction KONICA MINOLTA and the KONICA MINOLTA logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of KONICA MINOLTA HOLDINGS, INC. PageScope is a trademark or a registered trademark of KONICA MINOLTA BUSINESS TECHNOLOGIES, INC. Ethernet is a registered trademark of Xerox Corporation. Microsoft® and Windows® are registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and other countries. All other company and product names are trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective companies. Screen Images The dialog boxes shown in this manual are those that appear in Windows XP. Notice Unauthorized reproduction, translation or duplication of this document, whether in its entirety or in part, is strictly prohibited. The content of this document is subject to change without notice. Copyright © 2004 KONICA MINOLTA BUSINESS TECHNOLOGIES, INC. All rights reserved. 1-4 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2 2 2.1 Installing PageScope Direct Print Installing Install PageScope Direct Print onto your computer. Note When installing onto Windows 2000 or Windows XP, be sure to log in with administrator privileges. Quit all applications (including virus detection programs) that are running. In addition, if a previous version of PageScope Direct Print is installed on the computer, be sure to uninstall the previous version of PageScope Direct Print before beginning the installation. Check that the printer to be used is connected to a network, and then make sure that the printer is turned on. Operating procedure 1 Place the CD-ROM into your computer's CD-ROM drive. 2 Start up the installation program. (Setup.exe) The following dialog box appears. 2-1 2 3 Click the [Next] button. Installing PageScope Direct Print The License Agreement dialog box appears. 4 Read the end user license agreement, and then select "I accept the terms in the license agreement". 5 Click the [Next] button. A dialog box appears, allowing you to select the folder where the file or folder is to be copied to. 6 To install the application into a folder other than the one indicated, click the [Change] button, and then specify the folder where you wish to install the application. 2-2 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2 7 Click the [Next] button. The following dialog box appears. 8 Click the [Install] button. The installation begins. Once the installation is completed, the following dialog box appears. 2-3 2 9 Click the [Initialize] button. Installing PageScope Direct Print The compatible printers on the network are detected and appear in the Add Printer dialog box. Note If no compatible printers can be found on the network, only "Manual Setting" appears in the list. In addition, if the enhanced security function has been set from the printer, the printer cannot be detected and only "Manual Setting" appears. In this case, click the [Cancel] button to quit initializing. This completes the installation, even though the [Cancel] button was clicked. After starting up PageScope Direct Print, specify the range to search for printers or manually register printers. For details, refer to "Adding a Printer" on page 4-1. 10 Select the printer that you wish to use. If multiple printers are listed, select the printer to be used as the default printer. 2-4 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2 11 Click the [Add] button. The Printer Setting dialog box appears. 12 Specify the appropriate printer settings. On the "Option" tab, specify the option configuration for the printer. For details on the various settings, refer to "Adding a Printer" on page 4-1. The printer settings can also be changed after it is registered. For details, refer to "Changing Printer Settings" on page 4-9. 13 Click the [OK] button. A message appears, indicating that the initial setup is completed. 14 Click the [OK] button. This completes the installation of PageScope Direct Print and its initial setup. 2-5 2 Installing PageScope Direct Print Note After the message indicating the completion of the initial setup appeared, a message may appear, recommending that the computer be restarted. If this message appears, follow the on-screen instructions to restart Windows. 2-6 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2 2.2 Uninstalling Uninstall PageScope Direct Print by using "Add or Remove Programs" ("Add/Remove Programs" with Windows Me/2000). Note Before uninstalling, quit the PageScope Direct Print application. Operating procedure 1 With Windows XP, click "Control Panel" in the "Start" menu, and then double-click "Add or Remove Programs". With Windows Me/2000, point to "Settings" in the "Start" menu, click "Control Panel", and then double-click "Add/Remove Programs". 2 From the "Currently installed programs" list, select "PageScope Direct Print". 3 Click the [Remove] button. (With Windows Me, click the [Add/Remove] button.) The following confirmation message appears. 4 Click the [Yes] button. PageScope Direct Print is uninstalled. 2-7 2 Installing PageScope Direct Print 2-8 Starting PageScope Direct Print 3 3 Starting PageScope Direct Print PageScope Direct Print can be started using either the "Start" menu or the application icon on the desktop. 3.1 Using the "Start" Menu Operating procedure In the Windows "Start" menu, point to "All Programs" ("Programs" with Windows Me/2000), "KONICA MINOLTA", then "PageScope Direct Print", and then click "PageScope Direct Print". The main window for PageScope Direct Print appears. 3.2 Using the Application Icon on the Desktop Operating procedure Double-click the "PageScope Direct Print" icon on the desktop. The main window for PageScope Direct Print appears. 3-1 3 3.3 Main Window Starting PageScope Direct Print 1 8 2 5 3 6 4 7 9 10 11 12 14 15 13 No. 1 Element Name "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list Description Displays the list of registered printers and job settings in a tree structure. Click "+" to display the names of job settings programmed for the printer; click "-" to close the tree structure. Right-click the printer or job setting to display a menu containing commands for changing or deleting the settings. Select "Available Printers" in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to add a printer. For details, refer to "Adding a Printer" on page 4-1. Select a printer in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to change the settings for a registered printer. For details, refer to "Changing Printer Settings" on page 4-9. Select a printer in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to delete a registered printer. For details, refer to "Deleting a Printer" on page 4-9. 2 [Add Printer] button 3 [Edit Printer] button 4 [Delete Printer] button 3-2 Starting PageScope Direct Print 3 Description Select a printer in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to add a job setting for a registered printer. For details, refer to "Adding a Job Setting" on page 5-1. Select a job setting in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to change the print settings for a programmed job setting. For details, refer to "Changing a Job Setting" on page 5-3. Select a job setting in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list, and then click this button to delete a programmed job setting. For details, refer to "Deleting a Job Setting" on page 5-4. This box displays the print settings for the job setting that is selected in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list. Click this button to specify the file to be printed from the main window. For details, refer to "Specifying a File From the Main Window" on page 6-5. Click this button to view the printing status. For details, refer to "Checking the Printing Status" on page 9-1. Click this button to view the log of files that have been printed. For details, refer to "Viewing the Print Log" on page 9-3. If this check box is selected, hot folders (folders monitored for printing) can be used. For details, refer to "Using Hot Folders" on page 6-6. Click this button to specify the settings for the hot folders. For details, refer to "Setting up hot folders" on page 6-6. If this check box is selected, a dialog box for changing the print settings of the job setting appears each time printing is performed by dragging a file to the appropriate icon on the desktop or by using the shortcut menu (displayed by right-clicking). For details, refer to "Administrators" on page 7-1. If this check box is selected, a dialog box for authentication appears each time printing is performed by dragging a file to the appropriate icon on the desktop or by using the shortcut menu (displayed by right-clicking). For details, refer to "General Users" on page 7-2. No. 5 Element Name [Add Job Setting] button 6 [Edit Job Setting] button 7 [Delete Job Setting] button 8 "Details of Printers/Job Setting" box [Print a File] button 9 10 [Job Status View] button 11 [Log View] button 12 "Use Hot Folders" check box 13 [Edit Hot Folders] button 14 "Edit Job Setting for each drag-and-drop printing." check box 15 "Edit Authentication/Account Track for each drag-and-drop printing." check box 3-3 3 Starting PageScope Direct Print 3-4 Specifying Printer Settings 4 4 4.1 Specifying Printer Settings Adding a Printer A printer can be added to the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window. With PageScope Direct Print, multiple printers can be registered. In addition, printers can be added manually if they could not be detected when PageScope Direct Print was installed. Note Check that the printer to be used is connected to a network, and then make sure that the printer is turned on. Operating procedure 1 Start up PageScope Direct Print. The main window appears. Note If no printer could be detected when PageScope Direct Print is installed, the dialog box shown in step 3 appears. Either perform the operation described in "Specifying printer search parameters" on page 4-8, or skip to step 4. 2 Select "Available Printers" in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list. 4-1 4 3 Click the [Add Printer] button. Specifying Printer Settings The compatible printers on the network are detected and appear in the Add Printer dialog box. The Add Printer dialog box can also be displayed by right-clicking, then selecting "Add Printer" in the menu that appeared. Note Printers cannot be detected if their security functions have been set. In this case, since only "Manual Setting" appears, specify manual settings in steps 4 and 5. Memo Printers that have already been registered do not appear in the list. If no printer is listed, specify the search settings, and then search again. For details, refer to "Specifying printer search parameters" on page 4-8. 4-2 Specifying Printer Settings 4 4 Select the printer to be used, and then click the [Add] button. If the listed printers cannot be used or to specify manual settings, select "Manual Setting", and then click the [Add] button. The Printer Setting dialog box appears. 5 Specify the printer name and the various settings on the "Network", "Authentication/Account Track", and "Option" tabs, and then click the [OK] button. In the "Printer Name" box, type in the name of the printer. To print a test page, click the [Print Test Page] button. 4.1.1 "Network" tab IP Address For a printer that was detected, the IP address of the printer appears. For a manual setting, type in the IP address of the printer. Check with the network administrator for the IP address of the printer. Port Number Type in the port number for the printer. 4-3 4 4.1.2 Specifying Printer Settings "Authentication/Account Track" tab Note These settings are available only if the user authentication or account track settings have be set from the printer. "Use User Authentication" check box Select this check to use user authentication, and then select either "Public User" or "Recipient User". Public User Select this setting to specify no user name for sending print data to the printer. A user name and password do not need to be specified. Recipient User Select this setting to specify a user name for sending print data to the printer. A user name and password must be specified. User Name When "Recipient User" is selected, type in the user name (between 1 and 64 characters). If the name of the user currently logged into the computer is to be specified, the user name can be selected from the drop-down list. 4-4 Specifying Printer Settings Password 4 When "Recipient User" is selected, type in the password (no more than 64 alphanumeric characters) for the specified user name. Note If the "Enhanced Security" check box has been selected, the password cannot be typed in. "Hide Password" check box Select this check box to hide the password typed in the dialog box. "Use Account Track" check box Select this check box to use account track, and then type the account name and password in the "Account Name" and "Password" boxes. Account Name Type in the account name (no more than 8 alphanumeric characters) used for sending print data to the printer. Password Type in the password (no more than 8 alphanumeric characters) for the entered account name. Note If the "Enhanced Security" check box has been selected, the password cannot be typed in. "Hide Password" check box Select this check box to hide the password typed in the dialog box. 4-5 4 "Enhanced Security" check box Specifying Printer Settings Select this check box if the enhanced security function has been specified from the printer. If both the printer and PageScope Direct Print are not set to use the enhanced security function, the enhanced security function cannot be used. For details on specifying settings from the printer, contact the printer's administrator. Note The following cannot be used when the enhanced security function is used. [Gather Option Information] button on the "Option" tab Automatic detection of printers (Manually search for printers.) Password setting under "User Authentication" Password setting under "Account Track" Password setting in the Secure Print Settings dialog box 4.1.3 "Option" tab 4-6 Specifying Printer Settings Option 4 Specify the appropriate settings according to the option configuration of the printer being used. [Gather Option Information] button Click this button to gather option information from the printer and the specify the appropriate settings. Note This button is not available if the "Enhanced Security" check box has been selected. [PageScope Web Connection] button Click this button to display the PageScope Web Connection page for the printer in order to specify the printer settings. 4-7 4 4.1.4 Specifying Printer Settings Specifying printer search parameters The range for searching for a printer on a network can be specified. Operating procedure 1 In the Add Printer dialog box (refer to "Adding a Printer" on page 4-1), click the [Search Settings] button. The Printer Search Settings dialog box appears. 2 In the "Start IP Address" and "End IP Address" boxes, type in the corresponding IP addresses to specify the range on the network to search for the printer. 3 Click the [OK] button. The Add Printer dialog box is displayed again. 4 Click the [Search] button to search the specified range. Compatible printers are searched for, and the search results appear in the "Unregistered Printers" list. 4-8 Specifying Printer Settings 4 4.2 Changing Printer Settings The settings for a registered printer can be changed. Operating procedure 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the printer whose settings you wish to change. 2 Click the [Edit Printer] button. The Printer Setting dialog box appears. The Edit Printer dialog box can also be displayed by right-clicking the printer, then selecting "Edit Printer" in the menu that appeared. 3 Change the printer settings, and then click the [OK] button. For details on the various settings, refer to "Adding a Printer" on page 4-1. 4.3 Deleting a Printer Registered printers can be deleted. Operating procedure 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the printer that you wish to delete. 2 Click the [Delete Printer] button. The confirmation message dialog can also be displayed by rightclicking the printer, then selecting "Delete Printer" in the menu that appeared. When deleting a printer registered with a hot folder, the following confirmation message appears. Click the [OK] button. 4-9 4 Specifying Printer Settings 3 In the confirmation message dialog box, click the [OK] button. The printer is deleted from the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list. 4-10 Programming Job Settings 5 5 Programming Job Settings Job settings, which consist of specified print settings, can be programmed for each printer. Note The print settings available for job settings differ depending on the printer being used. 5.1 Adding a Job Setting Operating procedure 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the printer that you wish to create a job setting for. 2 Click the [Add Job Setting] button. The Print Settings dialog box appears. 5-1 5 Programming Job Settings The Print Settings dialog box can also be displayed by rightclicking the printer, then selecting "Add Job Setting" in the menu that appeared. 3 In the "Job Setting Name" box at the top of the dialog box, type in the name of the job setting. 4 Specify the appropriate print settings for the job setting. For details on the various settings, click the [Help] button in the lowerright corner of the dialog box, and then refer to the help information. To create a desktop shortcut for the current job setting, select the "Create a shortcut icon on desktop." check box at the bottom of the dialog box. To specify this job setting as the default settings, select the "Specify as a default setting." check box at the bottom of the dialog box. Default settings are indicated with a red check mark ( ). 5 After the desired settings are specified, click the [OK] button. 5-2 Programming Job Settings 5 5.2 Changing a Job Setting The settings for a programmed job setting can be changed. Note General users cannot change the job settings of other users. Operating procedure 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the job setting whose print settings you wish to change. 2 Click the [Edit Job Setting] button. The Print Settings dialog box appears. The Print Settings dialog box can also be displayed by rightclicking the job setting, then selecting "Edit Job Setting" in the menu that appeared, or by double-clicking the job setting. 3 Change the print settings for the job setting, and then click the [OK] button. For details on the various settings, click the [Help] button in the lower-right corner of the dialog box, and then refer to the help information. 5-3 5 5.3 Deleting a Job Setting Programmed job settings can be deleted. Programming Job Settings Note General users cannot delete the job settings of other users. Operating procedure 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the job setting that you wish to delete. 2 Click the [Delete Job Setting] button. The job setting can also be deleted by right-clicking the job setting, then selecting "Delete Job Setting". A confirmation message dialog box appears. 3 Click the [OK] button. The job setting is deleted from the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list. 5-4 Printing 6 Printing Using the Appropriate Icon on the Desktop A file can be printed by dragging it to a printer icon (or a shortcut icon for a job setting) on the desktop. Operating procedure 6 6.1 1 With PageScope Direct Print closed, select the file that you wish to print. 2 Drag the file to the printer icon (or the shortcut icon for a job setting) on the desktop. If the file is dragged to a printer icon on the desktop, the file is printed with the default print settings (indicated by ( )) for PageScope Direct Print. If the file is dragged to a shortcut icon for a job setting, the file is printed with the print settings of the selected job setting. 6-1 6 Printing Memo For details on creating a desktop shortcut for a job setting, refer to step 4 of "Adding a Job Setting" on page 5-1. If the "Edit Job Setting for each drag-and-drop printing." check box or "Edit Authentication/Account Track for each drag-and-drop printing." check box is selected, a dialog box appears so that the settings can be specified when printing is performed. For details, refer to "7 Security Functions". 6-2 Printing 6 Using the Shortcut Menu (Displayed by RightClicking) In Windows, a file can be printed by right-clicking it, then selecting "PageScope Direct Print" in the shortcut menu that appeared. Operating procedure 6.2 1 With PageScope Direct Print closed, select the file that you wish to print. 2 Right-click the file, and then select "PageScope Direct Print" in the shortcut menu that appeared. Memo If the "Edit Job Setting for each drag-and-drop printing." check box or "Edit Authentication/Account Track for each drag-and-drop printing." check box is selected, a dialog box appears so that the settings can be specified when printing is performed. For details, refer to "7 Security Functions". 6-3 6 3 Select the printer that you wish to use to print the file. Printing 4 Specifies the job setting. The file is printed with the selected job setting. 6-4 Printing 6 Specifying a File From the Main Window A file can be printed by selecting a job setting in the main window (p. 3-2), then selecting the file to be printed. Operating procedure 6.3 1 From the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list in the main window, select the job setting that you wish to use. 2 In the main window, click the [Print a File] button. The Print a File dialog box appears. The Print a File dialog box can also be displayed by right-clicking the job setting, then selecting "Print a File" in the menu that appeared. 3 From the "Files of type" drop-down list, select the type of file to be printed (PDF, TIFF, PS, PCL or TEXT file). 4 Select the file to be printed. Multiple files can be selected while the [Shift] or [Ctrl] keys are held down. 5 Click the [Print] button. The selected file is printed. 6-5 6 6.4 Using Hot Folders Printing A file can automatically be printed by copying it to a hot folder (folder monitored for printing) that has been set up in advance. If the folder is set to be shared, printing is possible from other computers on the network. Note Shared folders on a computer running Windows XP cannot be accessed by computers running Mac OS 8 or 9. 6.4.1 Setting up hot folders In order to print using hot folders, the hot folders must first be set up. Operating procedure 1 In the main window, select the "Use Hot Folders" check box. 2 Click the [Edit Hot Folders] button beside the check box. The Hot Folder Settings dialog box appears. If a hot folder has already been set up, it is listed in the "List of Hot Folders" list. The registered printers and their job settings appear in the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list. 6-6 Printing 6 3 To set up a new hot folder, click the [Add] button. The Browse For Folder dialog box appears. 4 Select the folder to be used as a hot folder. Click "+" to open a folder, or click "-" to close the folder. To create a new folder, select the folder that will contain the new folder, and then click the [Make New Folder] button. When the new folder is created, type in the name of the folder. 5 Click the [OK] button. The selected folder is added to the "List of Hot Folders" list in the Hot Folder Settings dialog box. 6-7 6 Printing 6 Select a hot folder in the "List of Hot Folders" list, and then select the printer and job setting from the "Registered Printers/Job Settings" list to be used with the selected hot folder. Be sure that only one job setting for a printer is assigned to a single hot folder. To use different job settings, create multiple hot folders and use the hot folder corresponding to the desired job setting. 7 Click the [OK] button. This completes the setup of the hot folders. Using multiple hot folders Repeat steps 3 through 6 to create multiple hot folders, and then assign the desired printer and job setting to each hot folder. Cancelling a hot folder setup In the Hot Folder Settings dialog box that appears in step 2, select the folder whose hot folder setup is to be cancelled, and then click the [Delete] button. The hot folder setup for the selected folder is cancelled. Note When the hot folder setup of a folder is cancelled, the folder itself is not deleted.